User talk:Szemigi

Lack of evidence

Regarding your edit over here: There is a lack of evidence to support this claim. Please always include the respective source. Please also double-check your sources whatever they might be. -- Nisaba (talk) 00:28, 28 December 2022‎

Listen, it's evident enough that the unused music (that only 1) was planned for the BWB level (level 14) that is missing. From where should I prove it? Everybody knows it!

Szemigi (talk) 01:28, 28 December 2022 (GMT)

You formulate the thesis like a verifiable knowledge. In this case, you must also be able to show the source from which this knowledge comes. So please keep in mind, if you can't prove something, don't pass it off as knowledge. Otherwise, it is an assumption or a suspicion for which certain clues can be claimed. Here, you would at least need convincing arguments to support this claim.

(Unfortunately, generalizations are not helpful. "We all" could be wrong, no matter how confident we feel about it.)

-- Nisaba (talk) 01:58, 28 December 2022 (GMT)

Lack of evidence for citations

Please provide evidence / substantiate the quotes you mentioned over here: Keen Dreams Development/Keen Meets the Meats. In such cases, it is mandatory to reference the source! Otherwise, they remain mere assertions and must be removed.

-- Nisaba (talk) 12:05, 27 October 2021 (GMT)

He said it to me on Facebook. Szemigi (talk) 18:28, 27 October 2021 (GMT)

I'm sure he did.

What I'm saying is that all quotations (verbatim as well as direct paraphrase) must be attributed to their sources. Quotations are often used as a literary device to represent someone's point of view and therefore need to be explicitly attributed by citation to their original source.

Why is this needed you might ask. Well there are at least two strong reasons for that. a) to make sure no misquotations or even false attributions (accidental or intentional) were made and b) to give interested readers a chance to do their own dedicated research into the respected sources.

To get an idea of how citation can be achieved I'd like to invite you to just scroll down a bit on that very same page. You will find a headline reading Source code release. Here you can find a couple of examples of indirect quotations and their respected attributions.

-- Nisaba (talk) 19:10, 27 October 2021 (GMT)

Should I now take a screenshot of our Facebook chat? Since that's the only way at all, but strongly established one... Szemigi (talk) 19:45, 27 October 2021 (GMT)

Are you talking about a private or a public chat? We need at least a timestamp, and some sort of validation for the identity of the author. Additionally maybe even the broader context of the conversation. So, a direct link would be ideal.

--Nisaba (talk) 21:12, 27 October 2021 (GMT)

It was private chat, so I'll post timestamp, but not in link form. I write that right down on the page. Szemigi (talk) 21:45, 27 October 2021 (GMT)

I would have thought a reference with maybe a linked screenshot might be better? Dunno for sure though. -- DHeadshot (talk) 18:49, 1 November 2021 (GMT)

Yeah, DHeadshot is right. There might be a misunderstanding concerning timestamps. What I was trying to say was that we need some kind of evidence, preferably a direct link to the conversation. If for whatever reason this should not possible, we would need something significant as substitute. This somethingsomething has to show all three information I was talking about: date, name of the author and a contextualization.

-- Nisaba (talk) 20:18, 1 November 2021 (GMT)

I already know what you are talking about, so no repeating needed. My hard disk is in bad condition and my computer is slow, so I can't post so fast. Excuse me for that. However, I'm trying to make it faster and post that Facebook chat in picture format as soon as possible... Szemigi (talk) 21:41, 2 November 2021 (GMT)

User pages

Hey Szemigi, can you move Szemigi back to User:Szemigi? We decided early on in the KeenWiki's history that nobody in the community should have their own page, everything about them should go on their own User: page, to avoid everyone having multiple pages about them. Thanks! -- Malvineous (talk) 02:29, 16 November 2021 (GMT)

I just did that for him. So, if everybody in the community should only have a User: page, then what about Levellord and Xtraverse? As far as I know, neither of them have a KeenWiki account. Granted, I don't know if Adurdin has a KeenWiki account. I just want to make sure, though. Should the Community members category even exist? I feel like it's a little weird to have a category filled with user pages, especially if not all of them are written in third-person. Quinton (talk) 04:40, 16 November 2021 (GMT)

You are totally right, Quinton. Szemigi (talk) 10:17, 16 November 2021 (GMT)

We've sort of tolerated those two because without an account there is no User: page, but looking at them now, there's not really much there other than a list of mods, so really they probably should be deleted. The Category:Community members page should definitely go, because let's face it, everyone here is a community member so just look at Special:ListUsers. -- Malvineous (talk) 14:09, 27 November 2021 (GMT)

I second Malvineous' thoughts. -- Nisaba (talk) 22:39, 14 December 2021 (GMT)

Nobody cares, theme is already closed. Szemigi (talk) 00:42, 18 December 2021 (GMT)